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Source Documents: Interrogation of Pierre Magre de Rabat
Introduction to Jacques Fournier's Episcopal
Inquisition
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Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers, created and conducted
his own Episcopal inquisition in the first quarter of the
fourteenth century. The interrogation of those suspected
(or "vehemently suspected") of heresy usually
took place in a chamber of his Episcopal palace at Pamiers.
He sat judicially alongside a Dominican Inquisitor such
as the Inquisitor for Toulouse or the Inquisitor for Carcassonne
for the most important events but in most cases he sat with
a Dominican from the local Convent in Pamiers deputizing
for the Inquisitor of Carcassonne. Also present were various
witnesses - Archdeacons, Priors, Rectors, Cistercian monks,
Dominican friars, jurists and notaries. Notaries made notes
in Occitan, and read them back in the same language "the
vulgar tongue" before rewriting a final version in
Latin. Witnesses were also sometimes questioned. None of
the accused here had legal representation, and so faced
a panel of legal experts - including one one of the finest
canon lawyers in Christendom - alone.
Inquisitors are interested in three things:
- Discovering and documented examples of "heresy"
- any deviation from Catholic teaching (in one notable
case for ridiculing the Catholic practice of placing a
lighted candle in the mouth of sick people expected to
die). Failing to report heresy was also an offense. Failing
to report heresy also constituted heresy.
- Discovering the identities of other "heretics"
- those who had ever doubted any Catholic doctrine, who
had associated with known heretics, or had been present
as heretical events such as heretical preaching, Cathar
baptisms ("heretication"), Cathar ritual greetings
("adoration"), or Waldensian ordinations.
- Discovering details that might help identify other
heretics, for example the Inquisitors are interested in
what Baptized Cathars wore (usually black, dark blue or
dark green clothes and cloaks with hoods) and where they
meet.
Those accused were sometimes kept temporarily in a tower
belonging to the Bishop under the control of the Bishop's
jailer. Some, especially those facing more serious accusations
were kept in another prison at the Chateau des Allemans,
where hearings also took place.
Sentences were read out at separate public events, generally
in a cemetery - either the cemetery of the Church of Saint-Jean-Martyr
in Pamiers or the cemetery of the Church at Allemans. For
a first offense fully admitted the accused might be imprisoned
at a purpose built dungeon, called The Wall, in Carcassonne,
or given a penance such as having to go on pilgrimage. If
they survived the Wall long enough to be released, they
would then have to wear conspicuous yellow crosses sewn
into the front and back of their clothes. For second offenses
(or first offenses where the accused refused to renounce
their supposed errors) the penalty was death. Baptized Cathars
and Waldensians both refused to swear oaths and this was
itself sufficient to warrant death. Such "impenitent
heretics" were burned alive in the graveyard immediately
after the sentence had been announced. There was no appeal.
Sentences were not included with the deposition, but in
a separate Book of Sentances, so all we have here
are the words
.... pronounced the sentence on the said [name] in the
terms which follow: "Let all know., etc." This
sentence may be seen in the Book of sentences.
The medieval year ran from March to March, so for example
our 1 February 1321 would be 1 February 1320 in medieval
times. We denote it here as 1 February 1320 [1321].
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The Case of Pierre Magre de Rabat
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Pierre's crime was to have witnessed a Cathar baptism some
18 years earlier and not to have reported it to the Inquisition.
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Interrogation of Pierre Magre de Rabat
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21 April 1320,
Pierre Magre de Rabat
In the Chamber of the House of the Provost of the Abbey
of Rabat
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Gaillard de Pomiès, substitute for the Inquisitor
of Carcassonne,
Pierre du Verdier, Archdeacon of Majorca
Guillaume Peyre-Barthe, notary
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Confession of Pierre Magre, of Rabat
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The year of the Lord 1320, the 21st of
April. Since it has come to the attention of the Reverend
Father in Christ My Lord Jacques, by the Grace of God Bishop
of Pamiers, that Pierre Magre of Rabat was strongly suspected
of heresy, that he knew of the heretication of the late
Pierre Amiel of Rabat, and that he has committed crimes
in this matter of heresy, which he has not yet confessed,
my said Lord Bishop, wishing to know the truth about that
which precedes, had him called into the chamber of the house
of the provost of the abbey of Rabat, with the assistance
of Brother Gaillard de Pomiès, substitute for My
Lord the Inquisitor of Carcassonne and in the presence of
the venerable person My Lord Pierre du Verdier, Archdeacon
of Majorca and of myself, Guillaume Peyre-Barthe, notary
for My Lord the Bishop, witnesses to this convocation. The
said Pierre, having taken an oath on the four holy Gospels
of God to tell the pure and entire truth on that which precedes
and other facts touching the Catholic faith, as much concerning
himself as cited as concerning others living and dead as
witness, said and avowed:
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When Pierre Amiel was sick with the illness
of which he was to die - I do not recall the time, probably
about 18 years ago - one Tuesday, I came to Rabat from Tarascon
where I had been to the market. Having arrived at the place
called Plan de Serres, in the parish of Rabat, at the hour
of dusk, I found there Guillaume Delaire of Quié
with another man. He asked me to go with them to the place
called La Campagne, and I did so. Along the way, Guillaume
told me that this man was called André and he was
one of those they call Good Christians, and that he was
going to Pierre Amiel's house in Rabat where the said André
had received Pierre Amiel into his sect and faith, and had
made him a Good Christian.
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André de Prades
= Prades Tavernier
Good Christians
= Baptised Cathars
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I went along with them just to the place
called La Campagne.
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Did you hear this heretic say anything
about this affair?
No.
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Did you believe that Pierre Amiel had
been made a heretic?
Yes, because Guillaume Delaire told me
so.
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"made a heretic"
= Baptised as a Cathar
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Did you believe that Pierre Amiel had
done well to make himself a heretic?
At the time, I believed that what he had
done was good. But now, I believe that he did ill.
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In what sort of fabric was this André
clothed?
I do not remember, and I could not see
it very well, because it was dark.
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Inquisitors are often interested in the
dress of Cathar Perfects (presumably for future reference)
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By what road were you and Guillaume
Delaire leading this heretic?
We passed near by field and the orchard
of the provost of Rabat.
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Did you see this heretic at any time
after this?
No.
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What were the height and physique of
this André?
He was the same height as Guillaume Delaire,
and he walked looking down, with his hood on and very fast,
as if he were hurrying away, but he did not run.
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Have you confessed yourself otherwise
to My Lord the Inquisitor of Carcassonne?
No, because I was not interrogated about
this.
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Did rumors of this heretication circulate
through Rabat?
There was talk of it.
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"heretication" - the Inquisitors'
name for Cathar baptism, also known as the Consolamentum
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Did you adore this heretic?
No.
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"adore" - the Inquisitors' term
for a ritual greeting of a baptised Cathar by a Cathar beliver
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And he said nothing else of relevance,
though interrogated diligently.
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7 March 1320,
Pierre Magre de Rabat
In the Episcopal Chamber of the Bishop's Palace at Pamiers
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Brother Jean de Beaune, Dominican Inquisitor
Germain de Castelnau, archdeaon of the church of Pamiers,
Pons, Dominican companion of the Inquisitor
and of us Guillaume Peyre-Barthe, notary of the bishop,
Barthélemy Adalbert, notary of the Inquisition,
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this date is earlier
than tat of the previous interrogation
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After this, the year of the Lord 1321,
the 7th of March, the said Pierre, appearing judicially
in the chamber of the bishop's palace of Pamiers before
my said Lord Bishop and the religious person Brother Jean
de Beaune, of the order of preachers, Inquisitor of the
heretical deviation in the realm of France, commissioned
by the apostolic see, on the day for which he had been cited
by the letters of my said lords bishop and Inquisitor, said
and acknowledged under oath and by faith that the confession
he had made before my said Lord Bishop, which was read intelligibly
to him in the vulgar tongue, as it is contained above, was
true in fact and contained the truth, that he wished to
hold and persevere in the said confession and never contravene
it, nor propose defenses by which it could be rendered invalid
or any point of it annulled.
He added to this confession that he believes
and believed that Prades Tavernier, the heretic, was a good
man, and he had believed this for a long time.
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And for all and each one of these facts
he submitted himself to the will and mercy of the said bishop
and Inquisitor, renounced and finished with the above-mentioned
facts and asked that sentence be given.
And the above-mentioned lords bishop and Inquisitor assigned
a day to the said Pierre to hear definitive sentence of
the facts avowed above, to wit, the following Sunday, March
8th in the house of the Preachers of Pamiers.
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Done the year and day above, in the presence
of the religious persons My Lord Germain de Castelnau, Archdeacon
of the church of Pamiers, and Brother Pons, companion of
my said lord Inquisitor, and of us Guillaume Peyre-Barthe,
notary of My Lord the Bishop, and Barthélemy Adalbert,
notary of the Inquisition, who have received and written
the said ratification of the confession of the said Pierre.
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On the Sunday assigned to the said Pierre,
he appeared in the cemetery of Saint-Jean-Martyr of Pamiers
and he was given a sentence by our said lords bishop and
Inquisitor as follows: "Let all know...." See
this sentence in the Book of Sentences of the Inquisition.
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And I, Rainbaud Jabbaud, cleric of Toulouse,
sworn in the matter of the Inquisition, have, on the order
of My Lord the Bishop, faithfully corrected the said confessions
against the original.
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Translation by Nancy Stork, San José State University -
to whom many thanks for permission to reproduce this text.
Prades Tavernier, weaver of Prades, was a Cathar perfect, arrested
for the first time in 1305 with Jacques Authié. He evaded
the dungeon of the Wall of Carcassonne, but was recaptured and burned
later. He had taken the name André and was called André
de Prades by believers. His story is told in the depositions of
the believers of Prades and Montaillou, many of whom are from his
family.
Pierre Magre was condemned to the dungeon of the Wall on March
8, 1321.
He was released with a simple wearing of crosses in a sermon given
on July 4, 1322. (Historia Inquisitionis p. 294)
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