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Source Documents: Interrogation of Arnaud de Monesple, Priest
Introduction to Jacques Fournier's Episcopal
Inquisition
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Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers, created and conducted
his own Episcopal inquisition in the first quarter of the
fourteenth century. The interrogation of those suspected
(or "vehemently suspected") of heresy usually
took place in a chamber of his Episcopal palace at Pamiers.
He sat judicially alongside a Dominican Inquisitor such
as the Inquisitor for Toulouse or the Inquisitor for Carcassonne
for the most important events but in most cases he sat with
a Dominican from the local Convent in Pamiers deputizing
for the Inquisitor of Carcassonne. Also present were various
witnesses - Archdeacons, Priors, Rectors, Cistercian monks,
Dominican friars, jurists and notaries. Notaries made notes
in Occitan, and read them back in the same language "the
vulgar tongue" before rewriting a final version in
Latin. Witnesses were also sometimes questioned. None of
the accused here had legal representation, and so faced
a panel of legal experts - including one one of the finest
canon lawyers in Christendom - alone.
Inquisitors are interested in three things:
- Discovering and documented examples of "heresy"
- any deviation from Catholic teaching (in one notable
case for ridiculing the Catholic practice of placing a
lighted candle in the mouth of sick people expected to
die). Failing to report heresy was also an offense. Failing
to report heresy also constituted heresy.
- Discovering the identities of other "heretics"
- those who had ever doubted any Catholic doctrine, who
had associated with known heretics, or had been present
as heretical events such as heretical preaching, Cathar
baptisms ("heretication"), Cathar ritual greetings
("adoration"), or Waldensian ordinations.
- Discovering details that might help identify other
heretics, for example the Inquisitors are interested in
what Baptized Cathars wore (usually black, dark blue or
dark green clothes and cloaks with hoods) and where they
meet.
Those accused were sometimes kept temporarily in a tower
belonging to the Bishop under the control of the Bishop's
jailer. Some, especially those facing more serious accusations
were kept in another prison at the Chateau des Allemans,
where hearings also took place.
Sentences were read out at separate public events, generally
in a cemetery - either the cemetery of the Church of Saint-Jean-Martyr
in Pamiers or the cemetery of the Church at Allemans. For
a first offense fully admitted the accused might be imprisoned
at a purpose built dungeon, called The Wall, in Carcassonne,
or given a penance such as having to go on pilgrimage. If
they survived the Wall long enough to be released, they
would then have to wear conspicuous yellow crosses sewn
into the front and back of their clothes. For second offenses
(or first offenses where the accused refused to renounce
their supposed errors) the penalty was death. Baptized Cathars
and Waldensians both refused to swear oaths and this was
itself sufficient to warrant death. Such "impenitent
heretics" were burned alive in the graveyard immediately
after the sentence had been announced. There was no appeal.
Sentences were not included with the deposition, but in
a separate Book of Sentances, so all we have here
are the words
.... pronounced the sentence on the said [name] in the
terms which follow: "Let all know., etc." This
sentence may be seen in the Book of sentences.
The medieval year ran from March to March, so for example
our 1 February 1321 would be 1 February 1320 in medieval
times. We denote it here as 1 February 1320 [1321].
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The Case of Arnaud de Monesple, a beneficed
priest
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It is not obvious what Arnaud de Monesple is being accused
of. His main offense may have been failing to denounce Arnaud
the Drunkard to the Inquisition, as he should have done.
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Interrogation of Arnaud de Monesple, a beneficed priest
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11 March 1319 (1320 New Calendar)
Arnaud de Monesple, Priest
In the Episcopal Chamber of Pamiers, Bishop's Palace at
Pamiers.
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Gaillard de Pomiès, Dominican, substitute for the
Inquisitor of Carcassonne
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The year of the Lord 1319, March 11 (11
March 1320). My Lord Arnaud de Monesple, a beneficed priest
in the church of Saint-Antonin of Pamiers, cited by the
Reverend Father in Christ My Lord Jacques, by the Grace
of God Bishop of Pamiers, by reason of the heresy of Arnaud
Gélis, alias the Drunkard, of Mas-Saint-Antonin,
a heresy of which he is strongly suspected, appeared at
the episcopal seat of Pamiers before him, who was assisted
by Brother Gaillard of Pomiès... and avowed that
which follows:
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About two or three years ago, Arnaud the
Drunkard, also called Gélis, came to see me and told
me in secret that he traveled with the dead from church
to church, observing them and talking with them. These dead,
he said, did not do any penance other than to travel to
the neighbouring churches of this village and there keep
vigil. He was led there one time by Hugues de Durfort, who
pushed against him, from the place called Roquefort just
to Mas-Vieux and to the church of Saint-Raimond. When they
had visited the other churches, they then visited Saint-Antonin
and remained there often. He said this was because the spirits
of the dead rest during the night of Sunday, and all day
Sunday, just until Monday morning, after which, all the
week, they travel to the churches, always rural.
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One time I celebrated a mass for the soul
of the mother of a woman of Pamiers on the altar of Saint-Pierre
at the church of Pamiers, and after this the said Arnaud
told me that it was he who had made this woman come to me
so that I might celebrate a mass for the soul of his mother.
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Arignac of Pamiers came to see me for the
same thing, that I might celebrate a mass on the same altar
for the soul of his father.
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This Arnaud told me that some of these
dead traveled quickly, others slowly and that those who
were weak fell down from time to time and the others passed
over them
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One time he gave me four Toulousan deniers
to celebrate in the church des Allemans for the soul of
Hugues de Durfort. These deniers had been donated to him
by Brunissende, the wife of Arnaud de Calmelles and the
sister of the late Hugues.
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One day when this Arnaud was putting oil
in the lamps of Saint-Antonin, I told him to put some in
the lamp that burns before the altar of Saint Peter in this
church.
And he said nothing more. And the said
Arnaud said that he repented.... which was agreed to by
my said Lord Bishop.
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It is not clear exactly what Arnaud needed
to repent for.
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13 March, 1319 (1320 New Calendar)
Arnaud de Monesple, Priest
In the Episcopal Chamber of Pamiers, Bishop's Palace at
Pamiers.
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Gaillard de Pomiès, Dominican, substitute for the
Inquisitor of Carcassonne
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After this, the same year as above, the
13th of the same month of March, the said Arnaud, appearing
judiciarily before my said Lord Bishop and remembering more
clearly what he had said, stated and avowed under an oath,
which he took:
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About one year ago, beneath the walnut
tree in front of the door of the church, Arnaud the Drunkard
told me that the soul of the said Hugues was not damned,
but that by going from church to church he had finished
his penance and had gone to Repose.
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He told me also at that same place that
no human soul would be damned, because at the Day of Judgment,
Holy Mary would intercede with the Lord for the souls of
all Christians and by her prayer all souls would be saved,
and God would spare them. And Holy Mary would do the same
for the souls of the Jews, because, he said, they were of
her race, and for this reason God would save the souls of
Jews.
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Arnaud affirmed and presented to me as
a certitude that the souls of the dead, in going church
to church to do penance, held each other's hands and thus
sustained each other. He also said that they have the appearance
and the form of living men, because, he said, they have
hands, feet, eyes and all the rest of their members, just
like men and women living in the flesh.
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He told me that by night he traveled with
the Good Ladies, that is to say the souls of the dead, by
roads and deserted places, and they entered from time to
time into houses, above all beautiful private homes, and
drank the good wines that they found there.
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I told him in the same place, while lamenting
the same Hugues de Durfort, who during his life had caused
prejudice among the clerics of Saint-Antonin concerning
the annuities of Bézac, that now My Lord Germain
de Castelnau, the Archdeaon of Pamiers was doing the same
thing and that is why his soul would go straight to the
devil. Arnaud the Drunkard told me that his soul would not
go to the devil, but in the next world he would have huge
hellhounds attached by chains, ready and destined to concern
themselves with the soul of the Archdeacon after his death
and by means of which he would do penance. In the end, though,
he would not be damned.
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7 March, 1320 (1321 New Calendar)
Arnaud de Monesple, Priest
In the Episcopal Chamber of Pamiers, Bishop's Palace at
Pamiers.
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Jean de Beaune, Dominican, Inquisitor,
Germain de Castelnau, Archdeacon of the church of Pamiers,
Menet de Robécourt, Inquisitor's notary
Barthélemy Adalbert, Inquisitor's notary
Guillaume Peyre-Barthe, Bishop's notary
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After this on Saturday March 7 of the
same year as above (1321) the said Arnaud appeared judiciarily
in the bishopric of Pamiers before my said Lord Bishop and
the religious person My Lord Brother Jean de Beaune of the
order of Preachers, Inquisitor for the heretical deviation
in the kingdom of France named by the Apostolic See. He
swore on the four holy Gospels of God which he touched physically
with his hand to tell the pure and simple truth on all deeds
touching the Catholic faith and heresy, as much concerning
himself as charged and concerning all others living or dead,
as witness. Then all the avowals he made were read back
and recited to him before my said Lord Bishop, who had them
explained to him in the common tongue. He said he wished
to hold and persist in these avowals, reconfirmed them again,
ratified and approved them, saying he wished to live and
die in them.
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Done the year and day above (7 March
1321) in the presence of My Lord Germain de Castelnau, Archdeacon
of the churchof Pamiers, the Masters Menet de Robécourt,
Barthélemy Adalbert, notaries of my said lord Inquisitor
and Master Guillaume Peyre-Barthe, notary of My Lord the
Bishop, who received and wrote all that which precedes.
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After this my above said lords bishop
and Inquisitor assigned to the said Arnaud a date to hear
definitive sentence on the above said deeds, to note the
Sunday immediately following, the 8th of March at the cemetery
of Saint-Jean-Martyr of Pamiers, a day which the said Arnaud
accepted of his own free will.
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8 March, 1320 (1321 New Calendar)
Arnaud de Monesple, Priest
In the cemetery of the Church of Saint-Jean-Martyr of
Pamiers
Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers
Jean de Beaune, Dominican, Inquisitor,
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That same Sunday as assigned above, the
said Arnaud appeared before the said Lord Bishop and Inquisitor
in the said cemetery and they proceeded then to pronounce
the sentence on the said Arnaud in the terms which follow:
"Let all know., etc." This sentence may be seen
in the Book of sentences.
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And I, Raimond Jabbaud, cleric of Toulouse
sworn in the matter of the Inquisition have on the order
of My Lord the Bishop faithfully corrected these confessions
against the original.
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Translation by Nancy Stork, San José State University -
to whom many thanks for permission to reproduce this text.
This text ppears to be corrupt. The dates do not stack up. Also
the text does not suggest any serious fault - Arnaud de Monesple
is more of a witness against Arnaud the Drunkard. Yet the presence
of Jean de Beaune, Inquisitor, at the sentencing suggests a serious
penalty for persistent heresy. Is it Arnaud the Drunkard who was
sentenced?
Arnaud's case is contained in the same deposition as Mengarde de
Pomiès, condemned as she was to major pilgrimages.
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